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raider2505 · Nov 25, 2006, 07:26 AM // 07:26

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Originally Posted by phasola

How does IWAY work IRL ?

Actualy is simple, think about, if u are the owner of a Pitbull...or a Grizzly or whatever pet...:B, sure u can degenerate into thumper eventualy.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 25, 2006, 07:31 AM // 07:31

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Originally Posted by Alleji

IMO 321 with balanced skills is better than sitting on the altar in wards + watch yourself + stand your ground with unlimited energy... and fighting* bots...

But that's just nitpicking I guess. Point is, HA is simply dead. For several reasons, and heroway is only one of them.

*By 'fighting' I of course mean healing the ghost while 10 bots are wailing on it.

Another is the fact that paras are imba, but that'll get corrected with the next skill balance. That will make a HUGE shift in the meta, no doubt.

shardfenix · Nov 25, 2006, 08:22 AM // 08:22

All we would see when HA is 8v8 again is more caster spikes (ob flame, doom, Bspike, etc). I wouldn't mind busting out that infuse bar again. Honestly HA was more exciting when relics didn't work. At least it was a challenge winning that dice roll.

suiraCLAW · Nov 25, 2006, 03:12 PM // 15:12

Without replying to anyone, some players play this game for recreation (aka FUN). Some people bought Guild Wars to gain fame. And there are people who bought this game to play against other people and who enjoy teamwork, they enjoy winning.

The problem is that it's almost impossible to make all these players "happy" at the same time. IMHO, 2 heroes in each party would be the best solution...

BTW: it's stupid to say that one group is more important/bigger than another one without a clear argument.

Mental Leteci · Nov 25, 2006, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by suiraCLAW

Some people bought Guild Wars to gain fame.

IMHO, 90% of the people who're buying this game have no idea about the award system (aka fame). Everyone bought it to have some fun, but the game forces you to get fame in order to have fun (low rank players can't join high rank groups).

Thomas.knbk · Nov 25, 2006, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Why does it matter whether or not I have a clue what im talking about?

ROFLMAO

tomcruisejr · Nov 25, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by raider2505

Actualy is simple, think about, if u are the owner of a Pitbull...or a Grizzly or whatever pet...:B, sure u can degenerate into thumper eventualy.

ahahhaha

Thomas.knbk · Nov 25, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Gaile, if you're still following this you have my eternal restecp

Lord Mendes · Nov 25, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by raider2505

Actualy is simple, think about, if u are the owner of a Pitbull...or a Grizzly or whatever pet...:B, sure u can degenerate into thumper eventualy.

an ostridge would work fine...

Llint · Nov 25, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

I think we can dismiss all of bhavv's comments because of this

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Why does it matter whether or not I have a clue what im talking about?

Also bhavv, not everyone plays HA to get fame. I play for competition, to kill time. To have fun. Telling me to play a totally different play style (GvG) is a horrible 'suggestion'. GvG is about tactics. While HA is about strengh. Theres no VoD in HA, no NPC's that stop you from ganking your ghostly hero. Get it yet?

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If you dont care about getting fame or your next rank, what exactly are you playing HA for? Competitivity? Playing for fun? Both those factors are still there and if you dont like it you can still GVG instead.

A test of skill or ability; a contest: a skating competition. - You cant test your ability or skill against computers.

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Another point - low rank or even rankless players have virtually no chance of getting a good team. They now have the ability to use heroes instead.

Yes, thats why anet is planning on realising the idea of guilds and friend lists next game update. Also I heard GWG is going to make a thread for pugs - dont tell anyone though its just a rumor!

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Im the only rank 6 in my guild, (which is a PVE farming guild btw) I play HA with the others whenever they want (even rank 0 members that want to play it) And when they rush in and start the timer, it doesnt bother me in the slightest whereas idiots like you would be screaming ZOMFG YOU 4AR TEH NOOOBZ ZOMFG RAGEQUIT!!!11111 like losing 2% MB is the end of the world and your whole gaming experience.

2% MB made the difference when there was competition.

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Its these people that ruin the game, not heroes.

There are ... 'mean' people in life, everywhere you go. Some people dont have manners or courtesy. Live with it, its life.

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The whole beauty about the new system is that is has made getting fame a lot easier, however it is still not easy enough to heroway your way to rank 9 or 12. Obviously people that have been playing the game for a long time, 24/7 with no life or existance outside GW and their tigers and phoenixes are going to be pissed off becouse of how much they put into getting their fame.

How does the whole system have beauty? All it there is to do is spam 1,2,3 and just cast Heal Party every 10 seconds. That isn't beauty.

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Originally Posted by dictionary.com

the quality present in a thing or person that gives intense pleasure or deep satisfaction to the mind, whether arising from sensory manifestations (as shape, color, sound, etc.), a meaningful design or pattern, or something else (as a personality in which high spiritual qualities are manifest).

an act of satisfying; fulfillment; gratification.
the state of being satisfied; contentment.

Last I checked, beating heroway didn't satisfy me.

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HA is still fun, it is still competitive, it is exactly the same gameplay whether your fighting people or bots, so there isnt any way you can say that adding heroes to it has decreased the fun or competition in HA. If people want to use heroes in HA, it should be their choice and not yours, and ANET did already decide what was best by adding heroes to HA. If you cant adapt to the changes like the majority of players have, thats your problem.

Yes, I can't adapt to that spambot hero casting blind flash on me because I use a sword. Im not going to get a definition of fun, because its largely of what fun is an opinon. However, both of us feel fun in a different way, you feel it by spamming a couple of keys with heroes against another hero team. It is not the same gameplay. The gameplay was largely affected by heroes. Builds were built around holding against FoTM's and to an extent, heroes. THAT IS A GAMEPLAY DIFFERENCE.

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Also there are still lots of HA guilds playing, Deer, Boyz n teh hood and girlz in teh hood, and many others but I dont read every message that pops up when someone wins. If these guilds can adapt to the change and still enjoy the game, why cant the others?

They're probably fame farming.

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I did yes. I learnt how to use all the new monk builds (tested every 2 monk combo possible), learnt how to make a holding paragon (they're on fire, angelic bond), and I can hold the alter untill my paragon or monks get killed.

You learned to use all hte monk builds. thats great. We aren't talking about " If they have a conditon, use mend condition " We're talking about actual skill. You learn nothing from heroway. You could have taken 'all' of the monk builds in PvE and 'learned' to play.

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How can you be social by playing a computer game and talking to people you dont even know? That is not socialising for me, if it is for you then you dont know what real socialising is.

of or relating to human society, the interaction of the individual and the group, or the welfare of human beings as members of society. Yes because talking to someone over vent isn't interacting with them.

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I only just read that and if thats true you faced a crap mystic wrath team. All the ones I faced spike perfectly and are completely uninfusable. And the cant die with all their enchnats

Any spike that is clean unproted and uninterupted is impossible to infuse. Guess what? Heroes dont preprot. Heroes interupt, but the chances of the skill you want them to interupt? Maybe that r6+ team you were in didn't know how to face SoMW? I may be not be the uber monk, or know every build on the planet. Maybe SOCIALIZING with them on how the build works, would have won you the match.

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Exactly what I was saying before the real idiots started flaming me because they disagree

We are not idiots for voicing our opinons.

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The point of fame is that this game is an RPG and the point of every RPG is improving your character. After reaching level 20 on PVE, and then turning to PVP, the next stage in improvement is things like ranks. Oh, and my heroes dont ball up in meteor showers, and they know when to use vital skills because I disable them and target them manually.

Contray to popular belief Fame doesn't improve your character. Thats great, why dont you go play a RTS then?

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People that play guildwars in the RPG aspect WANT to improve their characters and obtaining a new rank feels rewarding and is a good thing about the game.

Obtaining a new rank vs heroway is not rewarding, its has no competition value of any sort. Therefore it cannot be rewarding and/or satifying.

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When I started using my hero build, I were steamrolling through top 200 guilds, killing most of them flawless and enjoyed it because it was fun. These guilds that lost to mine and others heroways then quit playing and are on this thread whining.

I am not in a top 200 guild. I have lost vs heroway, but that could have been due to both teams ganking my team on broken tower... Who knows? I dont, and I dont see anyone stating " I lost against heroway therefor im quiting " thus I can only come to the conclusion that these members of thus spoken guilds are, a figment of your imagination.

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The only reason they lost is because they are the real noobs that didnt implement new nightfall skills into their builds. They were still running a Woh and RC prot (The WORST monk backup possible with nightfall elites), and the remaining 4 players were using old pre-nightfall skillsets too. All they had to do was use the new skills and learn to counter the new builds, but being the stuck up high ranked idiots they are, decided to quit instead untill ANET remove heroes.

RC is still good, WoH is still good. NF just opened the window to new builds. It didn't kill any of the old. The only reason why people aren't running them right now, is because they need special builds to counter the builds that are going to be countering the FoTM they're running in hopes to get to HoH where there will either a) the same build or b) another counter to their build which they already have an counter against.

When paragons are nerfed, HA will go back to the condition, balanced, and whatever else was run (hex overload). The thing with RC and WoH is, is that they were very good for a reason that they could work vs all builds. RC is always good, you probably haven't noticed because you just spam RC when you see conditions. Back in the day where competition was larger, people deployed cover conditions, and anti snaring conditions and just generally used conditions as pressure ( vimway is an obvisous of all of them ). This is where RC came in, it could clear whole stacks of conditions, spike healing from DW and save the other monk from cripple vs a frenzy shock axe.

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I dont know WTF your problem is making personal attacks against me all the time. Heres the quotes that were said FIRST by you and Ephket that make no contribution and are 100% flames

How can it honestly be that personal to you when you basically admitted to playing heroway because you dont like interacting with humans, that happen to make mistakes?

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I PLAY HA AND PVE WITH MY GUILD, IVE BEEN PLAYING HA THE LAST TWO WEEKS WITH PEOPLE!

Playing a pvp arena with a PvE orinented guild. What does that show?

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If one of my friends or guildies are forming a group, I join, If I'm forming a group I make henchway. Its really not an anti social thing playing henchway, its about getting fame.

Yes because not interacting with other humans is not anti social.

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Heroes in HA is a godsend, a fantastic move made be ANET, and I hate why you people cant adapt to the change and are on here arguing because its anti social. Oh, and I've always preffered single player games to online ones, I only play GW cos its free. Im not bothered about playing games with OTHER people, im only bothered about the gameplay and having fun.

I could have adapted from spiritspam to oob monks to gale warriors to whatever the hell came next. I know this because I adapted from 8v8 bspike to vimway to 6v6 dual smite and condition pressure. If you prefer offline games, go play them. There are largely better games that focus on you not interacting with other humans.

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I have given plenty of arguments for why I want heroes here, if your too blind or big headed to read them, thats your problem

I, and many others just quoted you and replied to them. I dont think that makes us blind. What you mean by big headed is beyond me. So I wont argue against that.

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And another retard has to join the 'LETS FLAME BHAVV GANG COS WE DISAGREE AND WERE ALL RIGHT AND HES WRONG'

Seriously, I told you why I got kicked from retard guilds like yours because I werent healing when playing monk (migrane mesmered) and didnt want to GVG. Im in a fantastic guild right now and wouldnt ever leave it to join yours.

Yet again you prove you dont like interacting with other humans. If im playing monk and I see a mesmer, I cast holy veil on myself. Wait, no holy veil? Get some hex removal. No hex removal? Then thats an obvisous weakness to the build. Did you say something like " Migraine on #7 " or did you just sit there saying nothing? Im pretty sure if you said that you had migraine on you, they would have realised it wasn't because your lazy. And if you did, then maybe you were just unfortunate to come along to some of the people that in this world, dont know what manners or respect is. Just beause you had 2 bad experiences, doesn't mean everyone in the world kicks you out of their guild because you could heal with WoH.

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Why does it matter whether or not I have a clue what im talking about?

Because that makes all your opinons void, biased and prejudice.

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Whether or not I or other people play with heroes doesnt make a difference to your PVP. It should be easier for you to beat heroes and then make your way to halls where all you top guilds should be, and once your there its PVP again.

Yes it does, because when I play PvP, I might get the unfornnate luck in facing you, then it turns into PvE. It doesn't ever become pvp, because there is always heroway somewhere. Heroway makes it to HoH because lots of people are running horrible skills, or are just plain horrible. Also, it doesn't help when its Heroway vs Heroway.

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Get help, go see a psychaitrist. You want to shoot someone for posting their views of a game on a forum. Seriously how sad.

I cant justify shooting you for saying your biased opinons. But you are ruining HA by giving your biased opinons. You are ruining it for me, and everyone else in favor of making PvP actual PvP.

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And the number of people here that use the word 'gay' as an insult towards a computer game seriously need to grow up.

Kinda ironic, in that you are the one throwing biased opinons around and playing GW as a material girl. Ill laugh when GW dies because of people like you. Wanna know why? Because you dont know the true meaning of competition and sastification. All you play HA for, is for the rank. Pixels on the screen. While others play to challenge ourself against everyone in the world. Hell, thats why they call it a global tournament.

That is the end of me directly quoting you now Bhavv, be glad. I wouldn't have focused on you if you weren't so enforcing of your opinons, and if they weren't biased in the first place. Tbh, you were the only one I saw apposing the change ( I only honestly skimmed through a couple pages, but noticed a lot of people referring to you )

In other related material, I will be extremely glad when heroes are limited or removed. I'd be glad if it went back to 8v8, but thats totally irrelevent. I think limiting heroes and/or removing them will be an postitive change to HA. I can only look forward to this day ( and the day paragons are nerfed ). I agree on everyone that supports on the removal or limitation on heroes in HA. Also, it may not be just HA's fault. HvH battles are probably not what people are looking for. Im guessing you guys just popped the idea in because AB's are popular. The way it looks now is AB is just a place for PvE to get alliance faction. This may have not be noticeable because of the direct reward of playing some games (Plus, a lot of people probably didn't know about FFing)

PS: A lot of definitions are quoted from dictionary.com, because im not a walking dictionary.